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2010-04-21 19:22:15
Jei laiku suspėsite grįžti iš savo taprplanetinės kelionės, apie pabaigą sužinosit pati, arba pats...jei spėsit, žinoma iki pabaigos....
2010-04-21 18:44:54
Komunizmas, socializmas, kapitalizmas... Vieni baubai. Aš tik niekaip nesuprantu, kodėl dažnai šneka nutrunka pačioje įdomiausioje vietoje??? Galima paprašyti pabaigos??? Apie "netyčinį" atsitiktinumą???
2010-04-21 13:57:19
Imu tris foto – savo, chadzo genties vyro ir Obamos. Aš į juos visai nepanašus. Šį faktą sunkiai nuginčytų tiek eilinis chadzas, tiek neeilinis Barakas...Išvada – chadzai (jų rasės grupė) ėjo kitu evoliucijos keliu nei mūsų rasės atstovai, greičiau nėjo, bet kiek paėję, sustojo – mūsų “nechadzų” akimis sustojo savotiškoje ”laimės stotelėje”. Mes šį faktą matome ir vertiname ne chadzų akimis, bet savo. Sunku pasakyti kaip chadzai šį faktą vertintų savosiomis akimis? Jiems to nereikia, nes jie to negali matyti – jie nepažysta mūsų pasaulio (ir ačiū dievui), tad ir lyginti negali. Jų rasė (rasės grupė) maisto rato nesuko, mūsų suko. Tiesiog, imu ir galvoju – jei maisto ratas būtų užsuktas mūsų rasės grupės atstovų vadovaujantis tik protu, gal rezultatai nebūtų tokie liūdni kaip kad juos matome šiandien? Deja, protas darniai žengė poroje su nežabotu gobšumu (ar protas pats tą darė, ar jis buvo verčiamas – čia jau kitas klausimas). Paties proto evoliucija buvo neišvengiama, kaip ir to pasekoje “maisto rato” fenomenas. Esmė tame – ant kokios “filosofinės platformos” tas ratas pastatytas su iš to išplaukiančiomis pasekmėmis. Jas matome šiandien ir jos visai neguodžia. Vienas svarbių proto “produktų” – kompromisas ir jis visada įmanomas, klausimas tik kliūčių sudėtingume ir jų nugalėjime norint jį pasiekti. Mano akimis - būtų naivu statyti pavyzdžiu chadzų gyvenimo būdą mūsiškajam. Kiekviena rasė šioje planetoje užgimsta (užgimė, arba daug metų atgal atsišakojo viena nuo kitos ir nuėjo savo kultūros keliais) su savo konkrečia misija. Jos skirtingos, kaip kad ir skirtumai tarp rasių - tiek išoriškai tiek vidumi, lyginant su kitomis rasėmis. Įvairovė bei tobuli ir pagarbūs kaiminystės ryšiai tarp rasių, nacijų, tautų, genčių ir t.t. – teisingo kelio kryptis – tai turėtų būti vienas tų pagrindinių skirtumų tarp žmonių ir gyvūnų. Atskiros kultūros turėtų būti kažkam mokytojai, o kažkam mokiniai normalių, žmogiškų santykių fone. Toks evoliucijos modelis natūraliai turėtų būti. Deja, tokio modelio nėra, arba jis sąmoningai sujauktas bei deformuotas. Šviežiausias šios sąmoningos deformacijos pavyzdys – mūsų dabartis, bolševikinės (eilinės) globalizacijos fone, kuriam kelrodė žvaigždė – smarkiai padidėjęs apetitas atskirų suinteresuotų grupių gobšumui bei naudai tenkinti, paminant bet kokias padorios moralės normas, bei civilizuotą elgesį. Ir manau, kada ką tik minėtos grupės (grupių) dėka paskiriamas vienas iš svarbiausių pasaulio vadovų chadzų rasės palikuonis....tai nėra kažkos “netyčinis” atsitiktinumas. P.S. Prašau nepainioti realybės su rasizmu. Rasizmu – to dabartinio naujadaro su neigiama prasme (kitokios gi ir nėra...) Nors pats dorai ir nebesuvokiu – kodėl žodis “rasė” su “izmas” gale – paverstas į baubą. O jūs?
2010-04-20 22:55:19
"Onvasui apie 60 - tiesa, ši gentis metais amžiaus neskaičiuoja, bet jis lieknas, stiprus kaip ir kiti chadzų vyrai." Na bet apytiksliai gal ir eina suskaiciuot? :)
2010-04-20 17:47:25
jie gi neskaičiuoja savo gyvenimo metu. Tai kaip suzinoti? :)
2010-04-20 17:08:41
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(See Thomson Safaris' May newsletter for more information on chimpanzees.) Gathering begins early in Hadza childhood, when babes help their mothers, big brothers and sisters pick berries, dig edible roots, and gather seeds and pulp from baobab trees. This food supplies 80 percent of the normal diet by weight. Hadza people obtain the remaining 20 percent of their food from meat brought back to camp and wild bee honey taken from hives in the bush. The Hadza are remarkably unconcerned about food conservation. When they dig up roots, they leave no part of the plant in place to sprout again. When they harvest honey, the seldom bother to seal the broken honeycomb with mud or a stone, which would encourage the bees to return and make more honey. They may know how to dry or smoke meat, but they tend to avoid the effort. Instead, they live for the present. To while away the afternoon in the manner of many Hadza men, follow these simple instructions: 1. Find one to three other players. 2. Make one large disc from the bark of a Baobab tree. 3. Each player makes a smaller disc from bark or wood. (Tops and bottoms of discs must appear different.) 4. Choose one person, usually the loser of the last game or a newcomer to the group, and give all the discs to him or her. 5. This person piles the little discs on top of the big one and throws the whole stack at a tree. The discs fall on the ground and roll about. 6. The winner is the player whose disc is the only one to land the same way "up" as the large disc. (Keep throwing until only one player's disc matches the master disc.) 7. Bet any valuable thing you own on winning this game. Hadza men lose their bows, arrows and food this way all the time, according to James Woodburn. Hadza women wear three pieces of clothing. They make skirts from the skins of female impala, softened with fat and rubbed until supple, sometimes decorated with beads, cowrie shells and bells. The skirt covers the buttocks and hips. A second garment, made of cloth and beads for a married woman, or strings and beads for an unmarried woman, hangs in front. The upper garment, also made from impala hide, can be used for warmth or to carry berries, babies, firewood or meat. Men and boys of the Hadza tribe wear the skin of a small animal as a loincloth, its tail hanging down between their legs. The hide is held in place by a leather belt which may also hold a sheathed knife. Men, women and children wear sandals to protect them from the thorns on the savanna. These were traditionally made from zebra or wildebeeste hide, but soles made from old car tires are now more popular. Hadza people generally come and go as they like. They may travel alone, join a camp, move to a different camp, or gravitate to a small area and live there with any group that happens to come along. The major exception is demonstrated by married couples, who stay together an average of 20 years and tend to live with the wife's mother. If husband and wife live apart for two weeks or more, they are likely to be considered unmarried. Spouses of either gender may abandon the marriage and seek a new partner by reverting to the dress of unmarried members of the tribe. A camp has no organized leadership and no sense of itself as a permanent group. The idea of private property must seem absurd to people who carry everything they own on their backs or heads. The Hadza similarly disdain the concept of private territory. They wander and settle where they can. If some other tribe takes over a site they have been accustomed to using, they are far more likely to move on than create conflict. Even within the Eastern Hadza tribe, Woodburn noted, dissidents are more likely to leave a camp than face a conflict. Conflict is often concealed behind ecological excuses, such as an announcement that the berries are better or the game more plentiful somewhere else.
2010-04-20 14:58:52
o kokia chadzu gyvenimo trukme, jei nesuserga kokia liga ar nezuva nuo zveriu uzpuolimu?

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